Do You Believe in Extraterrestrial Aliens?

fitkoh

fitkoh

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Very true. It doesn't take a PhD in BioSciences to get a certain sense of the complexity of Life (a great deal of that is gained introspectively as human beings) but to get a rational understanding of that overwhelming complexity one undeniably needs to be educated on the subject.
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I generally agree with you on this one; however I would like to add that a solid education should include irrational as well as rational ideas and philosophies. This is only my opinion of course, but I don't think that the shaman or priest has a lesser understanding of the complexity of life: merely a different understanding. I also believe that unifying these philosophies would be necessary to form a complete understanding.
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Again my reasoning is from a Biosciences perspective (not an astrophysics and similar) and it's a logical one. If you paid attention at what I've said previously you would note that I've set a precondition for the whole endeavor of 'extraterrestrial life hunting' to make sense.
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The single largest tech advance would be the computer. From my understanding of history (I wasn't around at the time) a big part of the early development of the computer was specifically funded and engineered for the purpose of successfully launching a craft out of orbit and successfully bringing it back in. While I don't have a full understanding of the math involved, the calculations involved are quite extensive and would take even the most highly educated person a great deal of number crunching using pen and paper.

The computer has vast potential in bioscienes; how would we ever record the sequencing of DNA without one? It would take volumes. Genetic Engineering, to extend upon your metaphor regarding the cell as a computer system, while we have yet to produce a cell from raw materials, we have successfully "hacked" or modified the "software" upon which the cell is made. It is not illogical to assume that these experiments could eventually grow to the creation of a cell, thus proving the feasibility of life existing on other worlds according to your precondition. I'm sure I've read articles about gene splicing experiments performed to try and create lifeforms that would create an environment to support human life on a spaceship, such as super efficient algae to process carbon dioxide into breathable oxygen.
Besides there are large areas of Fundamental Scientific Research that are hugely underfunded nowadays and if only a tiny fractions of the funds reserved to those headlines grabbing 'Mega Science Projects' got redirected to them we will all be far better off....
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You won't get an argument from me on this one.
 
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rnl9920

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It would be arrogant and selffish of us if we are to believe we are alone in this universe...its like the wind. we know its there even though we dont see it...hehe. Furthermore, according to nasa there are a few identified planet in some part of the universe that is inhabitable by beings similar to us...our science knowledge barely scratch the surface of the universe...even our oceans, we still dont have the complete knowledge of it...so extraterrestrial...i do believe we are not alone...
 
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fouadChk

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fitkoh said:
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Again my reasoning is from a Biosciences perspective (not an astrophysics and similar) and it's a logical one. If you paid attention at what I've said previously you would note that I've set a precondition for the whole endeavor of 'extraterrestrial life hunting' to make sense.
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The single largest tech advance would be the computer. From my understanding of history (I wasn't around at the time) a big part of the early development of the computer was specifically funded and engineered for the purpose of successfully launching a craft out of orbit and successfully bringing it back in. While I don't have a full understanding of the math involved, the calculations involved are quite extensive and would take even the most highly educated person a great deal of number crunching using pen and paper.
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The invention and the subsequent development of Computers doesn't have anything to do with 'aliens hunting'. It has a long history of its own rooted in the development of certain branches of Mathematics which laid the foundation of the development of the first mechanical computers in XIXth century which laid the way to the development of the first primitive versions of the electronic versions right before WWII (in the 30s.)

WWII gave the real incentive to the R&D in the field and the British did profit from it by developing the first prototypes that helped them in cracking the code used by Nazi Germany... this Story is well known.

Thus it was normal to see the creation of the first Computer Sciences department right after the War in many Western Universities which helped set in motion all the innovations that took place to this day.

Space programs have (without a doubt) benefited from computers but they are not at the root of their creation not even of their subsequent development (as far as I'm aware of.) They were mere consumers of it as everybody else (the aviation industry, the banking industry etc......) But that doesn't mean that they didn't finance (in one way or another) the key departments where the real work was going on (MIT, Palo Alto XEROX etc......)
 
fitkoh

fitkoh

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The invention and the subsequent development of Computers doesn't have anything to do with 'aliens hunting'. It has a long history of its own rooted in the development of certain branches of Mathematics which laid the foundation of the development of the first mechanical computers in XIXth century which laid the way to the development of the first primitive versions of the electronic versions right before WWII (in the 30s.)
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fouadChk

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fitkoh said:
While I generally agree with your idea, I must point out that your facts regarding the first computer are flawed. Google "antikythera mechanism" for the first mechanical computer, a sophisticated device for predicting astronomical events believed to be at least 2000 years old. Western culture likes to take credit for everything it can, but Babbage's device in the 1800s was not the first mechanical computer.
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I'm curious how you feel about the telescope, and then the subsequent invention of the microscope. While keeping an open mind I would state the telescope was invented for "viewing the heavens" and was later applied in other fields. While "viewing the heavens' may not be exactly the same as "looking for extra terrestrial life" I think it's a lot closer to that idea than any military application.
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Astronomy was of paramount importance in the ancient civilizations. But it wasn't for tracking Aliens :) but to grasp the notion of Time in relation with the movement of celestial bodies (Planets etc........)

The Telescope was invented (when it was technically possible) to help Astronomers in refining their Art (because that's what it was at time.) The revolution came when people start building models to try to predict astronomical events +/- accurately.

The microscope invention on the other hand wasn't anticipated (was much of a serendipity) but when it was used to demonstrate the existence of life at a micrometer level. A lot of largely false theories were put to rest in the field of Biology (spontaneous generation in particular) and a new era began from there..

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Note: When I asked like what?... I was expecting a response like the tremendous contribution of space missions in the development of the Photo-voltaic (PV) technology (conversion of solar energy into electricity.) Something that we now count on to end the fossil fuel era (and, hopefully, end the US rampage in the Middle-East which is all about Oil and getting contracts to their military-industrial complex from the dummies ruling that region under its watch.)
 
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fouadChk

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fouadChk said:
fitkoh said:
While I generally agree with your idea, I must point out that your facts regarding the first computer are flawed. Google "antikythera mechanism" for the first mechanical computer, a sophisticated device for predicting astronomical events believed to be at least 2000 years old. Western culture likes to take credit for everything it can, but Babbage's device in the 1800s was not the first mechanical computer.
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fitkoh said:
I'm curious how you feel about the telescope, and then the subsequent invention of the microscope. While keeping an open mind I would state the telescope was invented for "viewing the heavens" and was later applied in other fields. While "viewing the heavens' may not be exactly the same as "looking for extra terrestrial life" I think it's a lot closer to that idea than any military application.
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Astronomy was of paramount importance in the ancient civilizations. But it wasn't for tracking Aliens :) but to grasp the notion of Time in relation with the movement of celestial bodies (Planets etc........) Of course, all that was associated with variant system of supranatural believes relevant to their time.

The Telescope was invented (when it was technically possible) to help Astronomers in refining their Art (because that's what it was at time.) The revolution came when people start building models to try to predict astronomical events +/- accurately.

The microscope invention on the other hand wasn't anticipated (was much of a serendipity) but when it was used to demonstrate the existence of life at a micrometer level. A lot of largely false theories were put to rest in the field of Biology (spontaneous generation in particular) and a new era began from there..

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Note: When I asked like what?... I was expecting a response like the tremendous contribution of space missions in the development of the Photo-voltaic (PV) technology (conversion of solar energy into electricity.) Something that we now count on to end the fossil fuel era (and, hopefully, end the US rampage in the Middle-East which is all about Oil and getting contracts to their military-industrial complex from the dummies ruling that region under its watch.)
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Corvinus

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Considering that science has shown that the universe is for all intents and purposes infinite, it would be hubris of the highest order for us as a species to believe that intelligent life doesn't exist elsewhere in the universe.

There is just no possible way that out of the trillions of planets out there in teh great unknown, this is the only place with "intelligent" life
 
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noxepy

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It would be pretty difficult to tell if contact from aliens on the internet were authentic or not. I go more for the seeing-is-believing.
 
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IamH4ppy3

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There is a paradox called Fermi Paradoks. One day, Fermi was staring at the stars. Countless of stars up there in the entire universe. But a question came across his mind, In this giant universe where is everyone? Are we alone in this vast universe? Why untill today there is no contact from another beings?
 
jmourato

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Jasmine333 said:
What if it were proven aliens are living among us right now, looking very similar or just like us, and we don't know it.

Have you ever seen the movie Starman, and noticed how Jeff Bridges, who played the alien, walked kind of stiff and raising his legs high as he walked in some of the scenes? Well, several years ago at a Walmart I was walking along when I noticed a woman walking toward me with sort of a stiff, high-stepping gait. She was wearing those kind of sunglasses I used to see a lot that were slit-like and you could see your reflection in them but couldn't the wearer's eyes. She kept coming closer and closer until I had to move over or be walked over.

Alien? Human? I don't know.
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We have those in my town too... we call them zombies
 
jmourato

jmourato

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IamH4ppy3 said:
There is a paradox called Fermi Paradoks. One day, Fermi was staring at the stars. Countless of stars up there in the entire universe. But a question came across his mind, In this giant universe where is everyone? Are we alone in this vast universe? Why untill today there is no contact from another beings?
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They're very far away, it takes a long time to get here and they don't even know our address.
Same reason I never visited my aunt from Canada...
 
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daspy

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Hi there!

I do definately think, that we are not alone in space ! I am so sure about this because only think about the millions of thinks that we cant analyze out there in space and second is that why only we should be here ? i do top the question and keep saying that there are other worlds out there in space ...

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Genesis

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austinho said:
This is really odd lol no i dont believe nor will i ever that just idk if u think there real
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